Refutation of the Nc3 line (after the Ne5 choice)

[Ton van Bladel]

[Event "corr"]
[Site "corr"]
[Date "1973.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Serebriansky, I."]
[Black "Van Gompel, Hugo"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D05"]
[Annotator "Ton van Bladel"]
[PlyCount "37"]
[SourceDate "2005.12.01"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 e6 4. Bd3 c5 5. O-O Nc6 6. b3 Bd6 7. Bb2 O-O 8. Ne5
$2 {Van Bladel:?, sorry David!} 8... Qc7 9. f4 cxd4 10. exd4 Nb4 11. Nc3 Nxd3 12. Qxd3 a6 13.
Rf3 b5 14. Rh3 Bb7 (Refutation 14... Qe7 15. Ng4 g6 16. Nxf6+ Qxf6 17. Rf1 b4 18. Ne2 a5
19. g4 Ba6 20. Qd2 Rfc8 21. Rff3 Ra7 22. Ng3 Rac7 23. g5 Qe7 24. c3 Bb5 $19)
15. Ng4 Ne4 16. Nxe4 dxe4 17. Nf6+ gxf6 18. Qg3+ Kh8 19. Qh4 1-0

[Rookpawn]

Sorry, I don't understand your Refutation/Post? Could you clarify please.

[Rudel]

He's just showing one way for Black to survive the attack White gets.

However, I now consider this option [8.Ne5] one designed to give White practical chances, and it appears to have done its job here!

Note, White would not play Ng4 here since the Queen covers the Knight on f6. He should instead play a4 [to stop a later ...b4] and then play Raf1, planning to press f5 soon.

[Ton van Bladel]

On second thought David: I think you might be right with this one! I was too much fixated on the Ng4 option and closed the eyes for othet options. However Black seem to do ok in the drawish a4 line.

[Rudel]

Well, it's unclear how much this line should even be debated... there are clearly ways for Black to get a small advantage if he knows exactly what to do...but in practice OTB, Black has not appeared to be able to do that. It's fighting chess...but it is not irrefutable.